Curse

TheRaven · Jun 24, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

I kinda agree with the OP. I also agree with all the replies that say "if you don't like the conditions, don't join the run". I would never join a runner that asked me to participate in the run. It's no longer a run then.

Where do you draw the line?
- Runner will run CoF, except you need to help heal the runner.
- Run to Droks! 3k. Just bring "Charge!"
- Run to Droks! 3k. You need to kill the wurms. I'll do the rest.
- Running Hell's Precipice Mission. Please bring winter and extinquish on your bars.
- Running from Ascalon to LA. Must help fight thru Travelers Vale and Iron Horse.

At what point does it cease to be a run and turn into a pug trying to complete the dungeon/mission/journey together?

Mouse at Large · Jun 24, 2008, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

At what point does it cease to be a run and turn into a pug trying to complete the dungeon/mission/journey together?

That's up to you to decide. At some point you will decide that it's not worth paying for a "run" if your active participation reaches a certain level. Others may reach a different conclusion.

I think what's at the crux of this discussion is that certain people want to either impose or at least convince everyone else that their level is the correct one.

Sorn Xarann · Jun 24, 2008, 01:07 PM // 13:07

lol i thought this post might have been about the church, good post though!

Kikuta · Jun 24, 2008, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Sorn Xarann

lol i thought this post might have been about the church, good post though!

Hehe, the thread title is certainly popular :P

imnotyourmother · Jun 24, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

my two cents.

When I pay someone to run me. I start to dance, dance dance!!!

If it is MY gold that you want then it is YOUR responsibility to EARN IT! Having to be run and missing stuff along the way is is ....I will F.U.B.A.R. you in RL if I could get my hands around your THROAT type reaction in my gut.

Greedy little buggers is all i have to say.

Just because someone asks 2K to do the run does not mean that 2k has to be paid. People forget about the Monk Strike???

Geesh.

Rakim B · Jun 24, 2008, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Yeah, it's possible to do it with a smiter with self heals and no superior runes, but it's slower.

Yeah, it's possible to do it with LoD instead of mantra of resolve, but it's slower and much less safe.

Apparently none of you remember how much the run used to cost and why it was dropped, annoying runners will make them disappear. If you want the run so much then roll a monk and do it yourself.

The 600 is doing EVERYTHING, you are paying someone to make you money. I can not believe I'm reading that because people have to do one thing to make $$ they will refuse to pay for a run. You are called scammers and you should be beaten.

Mourne · Jun 24, 2008, 02:01 PM // 14:01

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Originally Posted by Rakim B

The 600 is doing EVERYTHING, you are paying someone to make you money. I can not believe I'm reading that because people have to do one thing to make $$ they will refuse to pay for a run. You are called scammers and you should be beaten.

If the 600 had to do everything, other people wouldn't be required to heal now would they?

I'll say it again, if the person getting ran has to participate for the run to be successful, why should that person have to pay?

Rakim B · Jun 24, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

All I am saying is that the 600 is having you heal for your benefit. He can bring another hero to heal and you'll get less drops, or he can bring a monk with no superior runes and the run will take longer. I also saw people complaining about having to use LoD, which is quite frankly retarded.
For the record, my original post was directed imnotyourmother and his completed ignorant post.

Gun Pierson · Jun 24, 2008, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Rakim B

All I am saying is that the 600 is having you heal for your benefit. He can bring another hero to heal and you'll get less drops, or he can bring a monk with no superior runes and the run will take longer.

Either a hero or another customer that would take the drops, what's the difference to the other customers? Imo it only makes a difference to the 600 (and the smiter). If you bring a hero, I automatically assume you adjust him to give a good service, including superior runes if needed ofcourse.

Rakim B · Jun 24, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

iirc I read that heros do take an unproportional amount of the drops, which is why most people do not opt to take them into elite areas. Unfortunately I have no pix so it did not happen

BabyJ · Jun 24, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

This whole thread is why I NEVER run cof anymore. And when I did I never asked anyone to bring anything except Light of Deldrimor. People would heal my hero and then at least 1 person would demand that I reduce the price cause they helped when I never asked them to. And you can bet your ass that I have refunded peoples money and left them standing plenty of times cause of the 1 noob that demanded a price reduction. You get noobs that like to run up beside you while your killing a mob and I end up dieing because of that then I'm "such a noob runner". Or they aggro the spiders while I'm killing one side and get my smiter hero killed and I'm the "noob" for that. I could go on and on about the retarded things that happen but you get the point. So yeah, more power to the runners that do that still cause frankly 2k a person is not worth the time for the retards that like to aggro the radar and get themselves killed and I'm the noob runner because of that.

I also get runs on my 2nd monk that i don't want to set up as a 600 and I don't mind either bringing LoD or mending to throw on the smiter. It's not like I have anything else to do except watch TV.

For me clicking LoD every 5 mins or so is not that big of a deal. Your only actually paying 500g for the run anyway cause you get 1.5k back with the reward.

So you can either
A) stand back and do nothing and be bored out of your mind and let another person click mending at the start of a level.
B) Click on mending at the start of a level and still be bored out of your mind.

Decisions! Decisions!

Gun Pierson · Jun 24, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Rakim B

iirc I read that heros do take an unproportional amount of the drops, which is why most people do not opt to take them into elite areas. Unfortunately I have no pix so it did not happen

I don't know any official facts about that. Maybe there's info out there, but at this point I just don't know if heroes take more loot than players. But I would prefer that healer hero any day instead of healing while paying for the run though. But I don't need those runs so peace out. I'll leave the debate to you guys.

TheRaven · Jun 24, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

This may come as a shocker to a lot of players out there, but it's possible to complete CoF HM on your own without relying on a runner. I did it in about a half hour with my heroes and henchies.

Nope, I'm not a monk either.

Or an Ursan.

Who needs a run? Just grab some competent friends or heroes and finish it yourself.

januscht · Jun 24, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

whines and more whines

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

- Run to Droks! 3k. Just bring "Charge!"
- Run to Droks! 3k. You need to kill the wurms. I'll do the rest.

ppl that take cof runs are not only cheap but lazy. dungeons runs are very different of other runs as droks, droks run get you from point a to b. dungeon runs not only get you reputation, get you drops, hiddens, locked chests, dungeon chest, title pts and book entry

you say 2k is a "standar fee", pffft. a runners spends 50 mins of his time to earn 12k if no one leaves or scams him, its not worth it, there are other dungeons with similar dificulty and same time consuming AND YOU CAN MAKE 15K PER CUSTOMER.

really, stop bitching at runners, just dont hire them if you dont like the terms, take your heros or make a ursan team and do it yourself, STOP BEING LAZY AND CHEAP

if you are asking for so much quality for a service as this, then i think would be fair to raise the fees, as in real life, a top quality service requires a high fee, would you pay????? ive seen tons of times people going with the clearly inexpert runer over the experienced just because the inexpert is running for tips

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

Just because someone asks 2K to do the run does not mean that 2k has to be paid. People forget about the Monk Strike???

that would be nice to see :\

Sir Owns Alot EP · Jun 24, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

The worst part about CoF runners is actually their arrogance. I've seen many a time where they increased the price to 2.5k just because they know everyone will pay for it, and there's no arguing with them. What's worse however, is when they decide that they don't like the group their running. One guy on a team once decided that he was going to explore CoF, and granted, thats relativley stupid, but he didn't aggro any enemies, so it was fine by me. But the runner (mind you, this is one the third level), decided he hated us because we didn't "restrain" the explorerer, and left us.

Sparks Dawnbringer · Jun 24, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Actually, you don't have to take their run. I've gone on that run and as I monk I usually heal the runner if needed. Like how hard is it to hit heal party or LoD. I'd rather hit a button once in a while than loose and have to start over. Just because it's a run dosen't mean you have to do nothing, but pick up loot. You got 8 skill slots might as well take something will help. And if you want to do the run by yourself and take all the loot for yourself.

Solas · Jun 24, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

No one has to pay, Really at the end of the day is it worth 2k for you to casually heal or go in a normal group?

i wouldnt really pay it unless i could go afk or if i was really bored.

Lalamika · Jun 24, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

I used to run CoF for people, but I stopped doing it for random pugs. Reasons why was the fact that I always got the groups that would run up to me just to get a drop when I haven't even finished killing the mobs. I ask if someone would heal my smite, but usually, I have guild members or a friend in the run or I just bring another hero to heal. (It isn't really that hard.) You do realize that mostly out of kindness, people getting ran have a healing build anyway.

So even if you don't ask, someone has a heal in your party (sometimes). I'm one of those rare people that run it for free, because personally, I don't like paying 2k for someone who is gonna half ass the run (i.e. skipping entire rooms, not getting hiddens, etc etc).

What I don't understand is this qualm about not healing the smite. It only takes a second. 1 second, especially if you're a monk, to fire off one spell. Or simply put mending on. I can understand if the runner is a retard and is one of those people that just started using the build that same day. Also, as far as runners dying on the first floor: shit happens. Shit being lag, power block or some retarded anet thing. Trust me, it's happened to me a whole bunch of times. I think when that happens the keyword is patience. I could understand if the guy died on every single mob on either of the floors and is still demanding a 2.5k run. (Yeah, I'd leave that one, or refuse to pay.)

But then again, I guess I'm a rarity in the GW world.

Cab Tastic · Jun 24, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Incandecree

On a side note I still haven't found a good reason why Life Attunement is in many of the CoF builds. To me it is a waste of a skill slot. With Life Attunement you can goto full health in 3 to 4 hits with Spirit Bond and without Life Attunement it is about 7 hits. It appears to be redundant.

Agreed me and a friend of mine dropped life attunement after learning this run.

BadgerznPie · Jun 24, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

In my opinion, it's not big deal. Clicking a heal every no and then is just as much effort as picking up a drop. I might see your point that maybe it shouldn't be considered a run becuase of the fact you are contributing to it, however, I feel that QQ'ing about being repayed a small amount of money is also more effort than clicking mending. That's my opinion